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02 April 2010 @ 02:42 am
5x16 Best SN epp of Season 5?  
I'm still deciding, but it's a close call! :)  I am still buzzed and excited by how INCREDIBLE this episode was, at how much I enjoyed it....I actually just watched it a second time, just now, the first time I've ever seen an SN epp a second time right afterwards....I just had to see it again!  I realize I may be the only one feeling this way, but oh well!

5x16 Spoilers:
It was just SO beautifully crafted, from the intense first scene and the gunshot followed by the bloody title card (first time I've loved that title card, lol), to Dean waking up in Heaven to "Knocking on Heaven's Door" (yay rock music too!  And random fact, but apparently I'm related to one of the members of Guns 'n' Roses!), to the lovely fireworks memory (so happy to see Colin Ford again!), to all of the Dean/Sam angst and interaction, and the big mytharc moments. Plus just the surreal quality overall of the episode, and the fitting title "Dark Side of the Moon."  Hell, even the "Then" segment at the beginning was epic, with the Death montage and amulet bits and music and such, I figured it would be a great epp from that, and then it was!

This episode, like 5x13, was the perfect mix of mytharc and Winchester storyline, there was just so much character development and interesting backstory here (which I can't wait to see others analyze!), plus exciting, game-changing mytharc developments! The huge difference between Sam's heaven memories and Dean's heaven memories, the fact that for instance neither had a heaven memory of their father (understandable, but still interesting, for Dean at least)--and yet another reason to hate John Winchester (along with the Mary stuff, jeesh!), the new insights about Dean's memories of his mother, and what his childhood was like, as well as what Sam's childhood was like, Dean's sudden desperate hope in God only to be crushed....so much there! I also found False!Mary's words to Dean intriguing, I wonder if Dean has especially felt like he might have been a burden to his mother since 5x13, when he learned she couldn't leave John because she was already pregnant with Dean? In any case, once again we see what a low opinion poor Dean has of himself! :(

Speaking of Mary and John, I was shocked about John/Mary, especially after our glimpses of them in 5x13....but I suppose that was the honeymoon phase, it's only natural for couples to fight sometimes, even if not to such extremes....now I really wonder what that fight was about! I loved Dean's reaction though, even at 4 years old, he was ever the peacemaker in the family, it would seem....Sam's line about Dean cleaning up their Dad's message was so heartbreaking too.

Also I'm really glad that they explained within the episode why Sam got into Heaven, despite his murder of an innocent woman in cold blood last season, it was bothering me since I learned about the episode, and I thought they had just forgotten about that....in all in fact I thought they did an excellent job at showing Heaven, which I was wary about when I first read they'd go there. I loved seeing Ash and Pamela and their memories, though I agree with Dean that it seems lonely, everyone with their personal heaven....given the way Ash mentioned the soulmate exception, I'm hoping that Dean and Sam count as soulmates (in a non-romantic sense), and that they would be able to share heaven, though this epp gives me some doubts....*sigh* I am angry at Sam, for his selfish heaven memories, and at Dean for throwing out the necklace (which I still can't believe, that's perhaps the most heartbreaking moment of all, of the series even!), but I can understand why each did what they did. The end of this epp was very depressing, and I really hope by the end they can reconcile somewhat....I'm hoping that Sam picked up the necklace out of the trashcan and that he will return it to Dean in some significant moment at the end of the season.

Speaking of returning the necklace, Cas also broke my heart utterly this episode....:(  First his conversation via the TV, when he snapped at Dean so desperately, and noted that he could not return to Heaven (which has to suck for an angel), and then the way he looked so forlorn and crushed in the end, and even cursed at God....given how stoic he is, these outbursts just showed the depth of his inner turmoil.  The "sonofabitch" also showed once again the extent to which Dean has rubbed off on him, to which he has been humanized a little.  In some ways he was in an even more pathetic situation in the end, with everything he had always believed in utterly destroyed, his faith gone (Dean lost faith too, but he had only recently gotten it in the first place). I have to say, I was definitely not expecting the return of the amulet to go like that!  I thought it was interesting the way that he affirmed Cas's harsh statement that it was "useless," though of course in any entirely different way than what Cas was thinking of..../sigh  This episode certainly did tear my heart to shreds, and made me want to cry, but I still can't help loving it....

So much more to say about this episode....like Zachariah.  I found it interesting to learn that he is not just pissed at the boys for not saying yes, but for petty personal reasons as well.  I liked seeing him again in this episode, since I've always enjoyed his character, though I must say that I found his creepy sexual innuendo/advances on the false!Mary to be as disturbing as much of the gore on the show.  I was thrown for a minute by this display, since angels aren't sexualized on the show, as we've seen before, but I suppose that Zach was just messing with their minds....ugh though!  Also I wonder if Zach will return as a villain in season 6, a little like Gordon, given his little personal vendetta against the boys?  We shall see....I also was a little surprised by the God revelation, I thought that there would be some other reason why he didn't interfere....maybe there still is, but he didn't share it with Joshua (who in himself was an interesting new addition to the angel garrison we've met--what was up with the gardening thing anyway?).  And it was interesting that Zachariah seemed cowed by his threats about God's wrath--didn't he say before that God was dead? :s  In any case, I am pretty disappointed in God.....though I was glad to hear confirmation at last of his role in the Soul Plane and Cas's resurrection, and in letting Sam into Heaven.

One small regret for me was that Pamela didn't mention the way Sam didn't follow her dying words, even in jest--it would have been a good opportunity for that. I mean, she slapped Dean, but Sam deserved a slap too....and I also am a little confused by Ash and Joshua's references to the boys being in Heaven before. Sam I can understand, but Dean? When has he ever died and not been bound by contract to Hell? (Aka the Mystery Spot deaths and of course the big one). I fear the writers might have forgotten about that and let in a little plot hole there....but overall, great episode!

Right now for me this episode is in a three-way-race with 5x04 and 5x13....
 
 
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Current Music: "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" by Guns 'n' Roses
 
 
 
Steph: Jensen Doesn't Approveemo_dj_steph on April 2nd, 2010 05:13 pm (UTC)
This episode is tied with The End (5x04) for favorite episode of S5 and the whole series really.

I think the Mary/John thing goes back to the cupid saying that they hated each other before Heaven intervened and that they had to make them into the perfect couple. I wasn't shocked for it at all because of that.

How did they describe Sam getting into Heaven? I don't think I caught that. I know Sam asked and he said "I don't think it was Heaven that was paved with good intention." And that Ash said that soulmates share Heaven, so unless it was that...?

Yeah Zach/evil!Mary was really disturbing. I was already confused at all the sudden popping up of characters (God this episode was taken from the Treehouse in some way, I swear) so I was a little less phased because I've been filled with Mary being iwth War and Michael and everyone as jokes here, but on the show? That was ust disturbing.
nbaeker: gigglesnortnbaeker on April 2nd, 2010 05:58 pm (UTC)
Zach did warn us that he had game with the ladies.
She Who Cuts Lemons During The Apocalypse: ZACH PRAYER CIRCLEcrackedeggie on April 2nd, 2010 06:30 pm (UTC)
Treehouse has been stalked.
sherrilina: Castiel (Supernatural)sherrilina on April 3rd, 2010 12:08 am (UTC)
Hmm, I don't know, I did think of the Cupid thing (which I think is still the more damaging and annoying revelation), but it could just be a natural couple thing.

Joshua explains later that God (in addition to resurrecting Cas and putting the boys on the Soul Plane) granted Sam salvation so he could come to Heaven, that's why he got in....

And lol, I did think of TH when I saw that, it seemed like something from it, but just soooo gross! :s
Steph: Brian and Justin Foreheademo_dj_steph on April 3rd, 2010 12:30 am (UTC)
It could be... Either way, I didn't expect them to be the perfect couple so them fighting made sense. But I love John so much, it's hard to be reminded in the show he wasn't the best dad.

Right, I rewatched it this morning and saw that.

It is gross ::shudders::
nbaeker: sam puppy doesnt understandnbaeker on April 2nd, 2010 06:01 pm (UTC)
OMG THIS EPISODE!!!!

Okay, I think the only thing I really disagree with? Was that Sam's memories were all of leaving his family. However, I did see someone suggest that Zach had a hand in twisting some of the memories -- I like that idea :)
sherrilina: Dean Smilie (Supernatural)sherrilina on April 2nd, 2010 11:50 pm (UTC)
Well who knows if the memories that would have come next for Sam involved Dean or not, I can imagine some of them wouldn't, especially given his independent streak....it is true perhaps that Zachariah was manipulating things though, the order of the memories....

Lol, your icon reminded me of the fact that now we know the Puppy had a puppy of his own, for two weeks! :p That dog was soooo cute, Jared really sold his excitement over it...:)

But yeah, this episode was just insane....
nbaeker: sam green eyesnbaeker on April 3rd, 2010 12:04 am (UTC)
Maybe it was really his dog?
sherrilina: Sam 'n' Dean (Supernatural)sherrilina on April 3rd, 2010 12:09 am (UTC)
OMG, that idea would be too cute! I wonder now....

(I'd love to see Jensen's dog on the show, scrappy little thing!)
She Who Cuts Lemons During The Apocalypse: ZACH PRAYER CIRCLEcrackedeggie on April 2nd, 2010 06:50 pm (UTC)
Really? The first time you liked the opening SPN title? I loved it from the beginning~~~
Me and Insipid were clinging mad to each other praying that JDM would be on as a surprise. THEY ARE RUNNING OUT OF CHANCES.

All couples have issues but those two still pulled through.
AND OMG KURT FULLER DID AN AMAZING JOB IN BEING THE CREEPER. MARY WAS IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD GOING EW ALL THE WAY.

OMG.
5X04 VS 5X13 VS 5X16.
sherrilina: Cas Cannot Die (Supernatural)sherrilina on April 2nd, 2010 11:58 pm (UTC)
Lol, I don't know, I saw on F!S (before I watched season 5) someone compare it to menstrual blood, and now that image is stuck in my head, so it kind of weirds/grosses me out usually when I see the title card! :p

I didn't think JDM was coming on, I had seen the spoilers for Pam and Ash and Mary....I don't think he will be on this season! :( I was just thinking how very, very lucky they were to get him for 2x22 as it was, perhaps they could because it was only like a 5 min cameo....*le sigh* Maybe season 6? Like a short flashback, or as a vision, especially in the series finale....stupid JDM, getting all famous and leaving SN behind!

Do you agree with that three way race of epps? :)

And lol, after last night I don't know if I can support a Zach prayer circle anymore! :p (Whereas poor Cas is like on suicide watch, I'd say....)
She Who Cuts Lemons During The Apocalypse: ZACH PRAYER CIRCLEcrackedeggie on April 3rd, 2010 12:16 am (UTC)
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. BRB BLEACHING IDEA OUT OF BRAIN NOW.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS VERY PRETTY COLOUR DYE. AND IT WILL REMAIN SO.
BUT STILL I REALLY LIKED HOW THEY USED THAT IN THE SCENE.

I avoided spoilers so I held onto my blind faith. ;___; SRSLY WE WERE SO LUCKY FOR 2X22. HE NEEDS TO COME BACK. ~WILL REMAIN AS HOPEFUL AS SHE CAN BE~

Mhmmmmmm as awesome as last nights episode was The End still trumps it for me, OMG I AM SUCH A THE END STAN. But 5.04 vs. 5.13, I can see being difficult to choose. Nghhhhh.

~ALWAYS ZACH PRAYING NOW~
MY HEART BREAKS FOR ZACH AND YOU ARE USING THE PRAYER CIRCLE ICON FOR CAS THAT I WOULD USE, SO I WILL LET YOU REPRESENT US~

sherrilina: Cas Cannot Die (Supernatural)sherrilina on April 3rd, 2010 02:36 am (UTC)
AWW, SORRY BB! BUT YEAH, PLUS IT'S WEIRD THOUGH, ALL THE OTHER TITLE CARDS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN DARK, DOESN'T FIT...I DID LOVE HOW THEY USED IT THIS TIME THOUGH!

LOL, I CAN UNDERSTAND STANNING "THE END," IT IS A MAGNIFICENT EPISODE....

WHY DOES YOUR HEART BREAK FOR ZACH, BECAUSE THE OTHER ANGELS ARE PICKING ON HIM? OR DID YOU MEAN TO SAY CAS, LOL....

AND I HALF WANT ZACH TO DIE, AFTER LAST NIGHT, YOU MUST REALLY LIKE HIM TO STILL BE ZACH PRAYING NOW, EVEN AFTER HE WAS ALMOST VIOLATING MARY THERE...:P
She Who Cuts Lemons During The Apocalypse: ZACH PRAYER CIRCLEcrackedeggie on April 3rd, 2010 02:51 am (UTC)
THIS ONE KIND OF REMINDS ME OF S2. BUT THATS THE RED~

I CANT HELP STANNING IT. :( IT WAS JUST BEAUTIFUL~

SORRY I MEANT CAS. CAS. MY HEART JUST BROKE YESTERDAY FOR HIM.

DO NOT MENTION THE VIOLATION OKAY. IT WAS JUST A MEMORY. SO CREEPY.
IM ONLY PRAYING FOR HIM BECAUSE HE'S SUCH A BADASS VILLAIN. HE CRACKS MY SHIT UP.
sherrilina: Cas Cannot Die (Supernatural)sherrilina on April 3rd, 2010 03:18 am (UTC)
SEASON 3 WAS THE RED....THOUGH IT'S LIKE THE FIREBALL OF S2 A LITTLE I SUPPOSE, THE BURSTING MOTION....GOD I LOVE SEASON 2!

AND YEAH, I CAN SEE THAT, HE IS A GOOD VILLAIN....I WANT ALL OF THEM TO LIVE, REALLY! :( THOUGH FOR TH I GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER, SINCE PEOPLE CAN JUST COME BACK! ;)