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16 September 2010 @ 09:40 pm
Caught up on Doctor Who...  
About a week ago today I caught up with Doctor Who (it took me about 2 months or so in all), and I've been meaning to post here since about my thoughts on the specials and season 5...

The Specials:

I wasn't too impressed with the specials on the whole--once it was clear that the Next Doctor wasn't actually the Doctor I found the Christmas one to be pretty boring (and the Cyberking thing was so cheesy!), and I'd say it was my least favorite Christmas special, but then "The End of Time Part 1" was really awful, the whole time I sat there going, "WTF?" as I watched. I didn't like "The Waters of Mars" so much either, as I've said before, I really hate the "humans in the future stuck on a space station or spaceship with something horrible coming after them one by one" scenarios, there's a reason I didn't enjoy "The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit" and "42" either...plus the end didn't make so much sense to me. In all, I think "Planet of the Dead" was actually my favorite special that year, I just found it to be SO much fun to watch, loved Michelle Ryan (I miss her from Merlin!), loved the "sunglasses" (lol), loved UNIT and the geeky fanboy who "loved" the Doctor (that scene at the end where he's all "I LOVE YOU!" was just comic gold!)...a great little romp! And the other people on the bus were all likeable.

As for "The End of Time Part 2," I definitely liked it better than the first part, though I'm still not sure how I like it on the whole. Like the Donna cop-out, he's all "Oh no she'll burst into flames if she remembers! But oh wait, actually she'll just get knocked unconscious and still forget..."? But it certainly had some brilliant moments, like

""Worst rescue ever!"

"There's an old earth saying, Captain, a phrase of great power and wisdom a consolation to the soul in great times of need."
"Whats that then?"
"ALLONS-Y!"
(so happy to get one last epic "Allons-y!", "Geronimo!" just isn't the same)

And then the thing with Wilfred at the end (Oh Wilfred! Love him), and the Doctor going back and visiting all of his old companions again...maybe it was a little too drawn out (they probably could have cut Verity Newman, though it was interesting, and perhaps Sarah Jane), but whatever I'm sentimental, I liked it! I loved seeing Donna finally get to walk down the aisle to a man she loves (the trip she was interrupted from making the first time we meet her--coming full circle!), I liked seeing Martha with Mickey (it's kind of random and strange, but also so intriguing to me! I just love thinking about the conversations they'd have, these two "left behind," victims of D/R's epic romance...and I'm glad they could find happiness and fulfillment), I loved the scene with Jack and Alonso (hello George, again!), and most of all, I adored this beautiful scene:

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"What year is this?"
"Blimey, how much have you had? 2005, January the 1st."
"2005? Tell you what...I bet you're going to have a really great year!"
"Yeah? See ya!"


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This was definitely my favorite scene of the special, it's just so fitting, the way it all comes round full circle, him seeing her before they first met, the "you're going to have a really great year" followed by her very true "see ya!", and the way the lovely music swells right then, with the snow...he did indeed save the best for last! :) Yes, she looks much older, but still...I wasn't sure how they were going to include her, what with her being in the parallel universe, but I thought this was the perfect way to do it. I'm going to miss Rose and all the other old companions....

Season 5:

I was very curious to see season 5, with the new Doctor and companion and show runner and everything.  It took me a little while to get into it, and I still am not loving it as much as the RTD era, but in the end I liked it well enough! :)  I really didn't like Amy much (I felt like she didn't have much of a personality, and hated her treatment of Rory) until "Amy's Choice", but I feel this is the episode where everything began to really click for me at last (though I did enjoy the premiere too, loved the encounter when Amy was a kid).  My favorite episode of the season was definitely "The Lodger," this is the one that made me really love Eleven, he was just brilliant in this one! :p  Other favorites are "The Beast Below" and "The Pandorica Opens"/"The Big Bang" (though as always I found the finale a little confusing!).  My least favorite episodes were "The Victory of the Daleks" (though I did squee at seeing the Cabinet War Rooms I had visited, and amused myself imagining 11/Amy encountering 9/Rose/Jack while in Blitz-era London!) and "The Time of the Angels"/"Flesh and Stone" (I found it really boring and I felt like it ruined the WA mythology with all the retcons about looking them in the eyes, and the image thing, and them suddenly snapping necks instead of being "the only psychopaths in the universe to kill you nicely", and I didn't like River in it, though more on that below).

I don't quite like his doctor as much as DT's and CE's past ones, but I do think Matt Smith does a great job of seeming older than he really is, and I love his whole "Bow ties are cool" shtick (and the fez thing, how dare they take the fez away from him!). :)  He can be very adorable...Rory is perhaps my favorite of the new TARDIS team, he is just so sweet and cute and amazing...I'm not sure Amy deserves him (I still can't believe the way she was kissing the Doctor and stuff and trying to jump his bones the night before her wedding to this amazing man who loves her so much!  Though then again I suppose she kisses other man all the time, with a job like being a "kissogram"...:s), but they are lovely together, and I'm glad that I still have a pairing to focus my shipping energies on (lol) that doesn't involve the Doctor.  I like his bond with Amy, but it feels a little IDK, paternalistic to me, like he's a dad to her, maybe because they met when she was a child.  And I'm just not feeling the Doctor/River Song thing...I found her okay in season 4, then really smug and annoying in the Weeping Angel two-parter, though better in the finale two-parter.  I still hope she doesn't turn out to be his future wife or something...

Speaking of companions, I do wish though that SOMEONE from the RTD era (besides River) could come back...like what about Jack, he was also a Moffat creation initially, and it'd be so fun to see him interacting with this new incarnation!  (Especially since he had seen 9 as well as 10).  Hell, it'd be neat to see Sally again, even...Though I know she won't be coming back, obviously, I did love this little snippet of Rose with 10 during the mind meld in "The Lodger"! ;)



So she has technically been seen in all 5 seasons (counting the flashback clip in "Utopia" in season 3)...:p

So in short, I liked season 5 by the end (I'm very intrigued about the creepy "Silence will fall" voice, it's interesting to have a multi-season arc now), and I look forward to the Christmas special and season 6 (I wonder what the cliffhanger midseason will be!), and hope I will come to love the new team and all even more.  I do wish though that they hadn't changed EVERYTHING this season--I mean, I know there's a new showrunner, but in addition to did there have to be a new (horrible) opening theme song, credits, logo, TARDIS exterior and interior, AND a new sonic screwdriver? O_o  Oh well...

Oh and I'd love to see some kind of "Five Doctors" special again (or 2 or 3 or however many have you!  Could be a CIN special like "Time Crash") in which perhaps 10 or 9 (if he were willing) could come back and interact with 11...

I'm very glad I was able to catch up before I left...I only wish I had started watching this sooner! :)  And I still need to free up some space for an icon with 10 in it....
 
 
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Steph: Ten Rose TEOTvengefulspirit on September 17th, 2010 01:58 am (UTC)
I was surprised to see that you didn't like TEoT very much LoL After I finished watching them I posted on my journal that they were my two favorite episodes of the whole series, so we're on COMPLETELY different ends of the spectrum LOL I *hated* "The Next Doctor", so boring IMO. But, the guy who was playing "The Doctor" in that episode, David Morrissey, was in "Blackpool" with David back in 2005 (I think it was 2005), so it was nice to see them interacting again LoL

That D/R scene at the end of TEoT will always be my favorite D/R scene, and I have a lot of them. I'm just a big fan of things coming full circle, and knowing now that The Doctor saw Rose before he even met her in "Rose" is nice to think about.

I found it really boring and I felt like it ruined the WA mythology with all the retcons about looking them in the eyes, and the image thing, and them suddenly snapping necks instead of being "the only psychopaths in the universe to kill you nicely"

I hated that, too. I just watched "Blink" with my mom yesterday and seeing them in that episode, compared to the S5 episodes, kind of ruined it for me, knowing that they were snapping people's necks in later episodes, and because in "Blink", people looked into the eyes of the statues and nothing happened, yet in S5, the people who did the same thing became the creatures themselves. I think the writers really messed up there.

And I'm just not feeling the Doctor/River Song thing...I found her okay in season 4, then really smug and annoying in the Weeping Angel two-parter

That's exactly why I don't like her. She just seems really...arrogant about everything, like she's the best companion he's ever had and that she's the only one who knew what she was doing. There's a real "holier-than-thou" attitude about her and I hate it.

Jack could totally come back in S6 if they really wanted him to. After seeing the last episode of Torchwood, it's possible, but I think Moffat wants nothing to do with people from RTD's era. The only reason River is still around is because she's Moffat's creation.

I'm curious about S6. I want to know what this "huge midseason cliffhanger" is that Moffat was talking about. I hope Amy and Rory stick around (only because I love Rory...I wouldn't mind if Amy left LOL), but IDK. I have a feeling River is going to be a huge part of S6, which I'm dreading. I haven't had a desire to re-watch any of S5 unlike my desire to re-watch the other 4 seasons LOL I just didn't love it as much. Maybe if I was someone who had seen S5 before I saw the others, I might like it more.
sherrilina: 9/Rose (Doctor Who)sherrilina on September 17th, 2010 05:42 am (UTC)
I was surprised to see that you didn't like TEoT very much LoL After I finished watching them I posted on my journal that they were my two favorite episodes of the whole series, so we're on COMPLETELY different ends of the spectrum LOL

Heh, oh well! At least we agree on so much else...;) But yeah, the first part just didn't work for me...I didn't like the weird new skeleton!superman!Master, all that was so WTF for me, as was EVERYONE becoming him on the planet...:s Also the thing with Elizabeth I will never get, I just don't see the Doctor as that sexual a being, I mean, at least not anymore. Or if he does have sex with humans, you think something would have happened with, you know...

The second part I did enjoy more, I liked seeing the Time Lords, I loved the explanation for the sounds of the drums in the Master's head, I liked what kills Ten in the end, and of course I love the goodbye scenes at the end...I don't think I'd say it's my favorite of the series though still...I'm not quite sure what my absolute favorites episodes are, actually! Hard to say...

And that reminds me, I guess I can freely look through your journal at the DW posts without fear of spoilers now! :D

That D/R scene at the end of TEoT will always be my favorite D/R scene, and I have a lot of them. I'm just a big fan of things coming full circle, and knowing now that The Doctor saw Rose before he even met her in "Rose" is nice to think about.

Yeah, it is nice and neat and perfect that way....also Moffat check it out the first time Rose sees the Doctor is the last time he sees her, River isn't the only one who can do weird bendy time things like that! IDK if it's my favorite D/R scene (I mean, so many moments! And I think mine might be the scenes at the end of "Doomsday" that are so angsty and beautiful at the same time...or the 9/Rose "you need a Doctor" kiss), but it's definitely up there, so short but sweet, all that poignancy in less than two minutes. *sigh* Definitely a proper send-off.

Jack could totally come back in S6 if they really wanted him to. After seeing the last episode of Torchwood, it's possible, but I think Moffat wants nothing to do with people from RTD's era. The only reason River is still around is because she's Moffat's creation.

Well that's what I'm saying, technically Jack is also Moffat's creation (he was introduced in Moffat's first DW epps, The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances), even if RTD kind of made Jack his own later in the seasons and with Torchwood (though DW!Jack >>> Torchwood!Jack...it's annoying how they made Jack into this broody Angel-type figure. It's like the opposite of with BTVS, where Angel became less broody/annoying on his own spinoff show!).

I'm curious about S6. I want to know what this "huge midseason cliffhanger" is that Moffat was talking about. I hope Amy and Rory stick around (only because I love Rory...I wouldn't mind if Amy left LOL), but IDK.

Lol! Yeah, I'd definitely say Rory > Amy, although I like her alright now...the cliffhanger better not involve harm to Rory again!

I have a feeling River is going to be a huge part of S6, which I'm dreading. I haven't had a desire to re-watch any of S5 unlike my desire to re-watch the other 4 seasons LOL I just didn't love it as much. Maybe if I was someone who had seen S5 before I saw the others, I might like it more.

God I hope not...though maybe that's the mid-season cliffhanger, what her big secret is? And then she'll go away once the Doctor knows as she said had to happen? But yeah, Aside perhaps from "The Lodger" I don't have any particular urge to rewatch season 5 yet either (though maybe it'd all make more sense now), at least in comparison to how I want to marathon rewatch seasons 1-4! (Even though I *just* watched them all for the first time). And I think many of the more avid lovers of season 5 like it so much in part because they did not care much for David Tennant's acting as the Doctor, *le gasp*...
Jennifer: Doctor Who - Nine/Rose meet and runhmsharmony on September 17th, 2010 02:12 am (UTC)
and "The Time of the Angels"/"Flesh and Stone" (I found it really boring and I felt like it ruined the WA mythology with all the retcons about looking them in the eyes, and the image thing, and them suddenly snapping necks instead of being "the only psychopaths in the universe to kill you nicely", and I didn't like River in it, though more on that below).

THIS. SO MUCH. I felt like they DESTROYED the WA. The whole reason WHY they were so creepy was because even though you KNEW it wasn't true, you couldn't help but wonder. If the statues just move/attack when you blink...how would you ever know? And then Moffat had to go and destroy his own epic story. Blegh.

I AM SO GLAD YOU LIKE RORY. He is definitely my favorite of the Tardis crew. He's so adorable and dorky and just...GYAH. He became a nurse because Amy wanted a doctor, but he couldn't quite manage it. AND THEN HE WAITED FOR 2,000 FREAKING YEARS. I want my own Rory. &hearts

Edited at 2010-09-17 02:12 am (UTC)
sherrilina: 9/Rose (Doctor Who)sherrilina on September 17th, 2010 05:19 am (UTC)
Seriously, WE'RE WATCHING THEM, SO THE STATUES SHOULDN'T BE MOVING! It does take some of the effect out of them...not to mention the low-budget glory!

I AM SO GLAD YOU LIKE RORY. He is definitely my favorite of the Tardis crew. He's so adorable and dorky and just...GYAH. He became a nurse because Amy wanted a doctor, but he couldn't quite manage it. AND THEN HE WAITED FOR 2,000 FREAKING YEARS. I want my own Rory. ♥

God, I didn't even think of that, the becoming a nurse because she wanted a doctor thing...(or of it was in an epp I forgot!). Oh Rory! We all need one...I'm not entirely sure Amy deserves one, she better stay faithful to him now. And quit her job as a freaking kissogram, what the hell kind of job is that?! I'm glad that he'll be in season 6 more (or I sure hope so!), I expected him to be in all of season 5, and then he goes poof for a whole bunch of episodes, and I was disappoint...
Jenniferhmsharmony on September 17th, 2010 05:48 am (UTC)
It was in one of the DW Confidentials. ;-D

Seriously, the Doctor should kick Amy off of the Tardis and just travel with Rory.
sherrilina: 9/Rose (Doctor Who)sherrilina on September 17th, 2010 05:56 am (UTC)
Oh yeah, I need to watch those...or more than just clips of them at least!

And BTW you had me looking up more "Gregory and the Hawk," have you heard the song "Isabelle"? Really beautiful!
Jenniferhmsharmony on September 17th, 2010 06:04 am (UTC)
I have!! It's gorgeous. <3
She that is Me: DrW - Eleven Soft Smilessweetsyren on September 17th, 2010 08:43 am (UTC)
OKAY - so possibly unpopular opinions coming up lol

I hated the specials. Waters of Mars was the ONLY one I could tolerate and in my head-canon TEoT NEVER happened at all. A lot of this is because of my love for Donna. She was the BEST thing about the RTD era.

Her relationship with the Doctor was the first Doctor/Companion relationship that felt comfortable and natural to me. (Rose was too needy and Martha was too busy pining to reach her full potential.) My love for Doctor/Donna is epic and enduring. So thats why I loathed the ending they gave her with a flamey passion. The Doctor took away everything they did together, everything that she accomplished and the woman she was, and in the end he just left her like that? He didn't fix her? He's a Time Lord, a master of time itself and he couldn't lock himself in a bubble somewhere and come up with a solution? Really? REALLY? Sorry, but I call bullshit.

And to add insult to injury he bought her off with a fucking lottery ticket. Because obviously money will bring back the light to her eyes and the joy to her soul. Cash will make Wilf not mourn the granddaughter she became and the fact that she's been forced, through no fault of her own, to settle for this kind of half-life. Yeah, of course. Money fixes everything.

That right there made me hate RTD and the Tenth Doctor. I loved him before that. But that sort of thing? That's not the Doctor I knew. Thats why I refuse to deal with TEoT at all. I can't handle what they turned the Doctor into.

The ONLY thing that was worth watching in those episodes was Wilf and the Doctors interactions. The bit in Cafe? Forget it. Killed me dead.

So yeah, in my head-canon the Doctor fixed Donna and they're still travelling in some alternate universe.

*takes a breath*

That said, I fully accept and adore Eleven. Matt Smith owns my soul. He's a breath of fresh air after the specials. I loved series 5 and the ending? Dead. Just dead. The bit with little Amelia when he was sitting next to her and just talking. He could have regenerated right then and I would have been happy. I'm just pleased we get more instead.

Like you, I think Amy needs a little work. I like her a lot and I give her a lot of leeway but I think she needs some more acting lessons because she can be really stiff sometimes.

Rory, however, is the best thing since sliced bread. I love having a male companion again.

It's funny you should say you disliked River in these two eps because I couldn't stand her in Ten's eps. Rivers interactions with Eleven are, IMO, much, much better than with Ten. I prefer her now and I love the way she is with Amy. She really grew on me.

I can't wait to see what they do in Series 6. I'm sitting here twitching in anticipation for the xmas special :)

...

Sorry - that got a bit long! lol I apologise for my rambling...I tend to get carried away by Doctor Who.

But Yay! New Doctor Who buddy!

*huggles*


sherrilina: 9/Rose (Doctor Who)sherrilina on September 18th, 2010 12:51 am (UTC)
Lol I want to saw upfront that I am *very* rambly when it comes to DW as well (if you couldn't tell from this long-ass post!), so no fears there, I welcome it! ;) And yay for another DW buddy indeed! :D

I hated the specials. Waters of Mars was the ONLY one I could tolerate and in my head-canon TEoT NEVER happened at all.

Hmm, I find that interesting if you were tired of angsty!Ten, that the only special you like is the one where he's like the most angsty, barring TEOT perhaps...

Her relationship with the Doctor was the first Doctor/Companion relationship that felt comfortable and natural to me. (Rose was too needy and Martha was too busy pining to reach her full potential.) My love for Doctor/Donna is epic and enduring. So thats why I loathed the ending they gave her with a flamey passion. The Doctor took away everything they did together, everything that she accomplished and the woman she was, and in the end he just left her like that? He didn't fix her? He's a Time Lord, a master of time itself and he couldn't lock himself in a bubble somewhere and come up with a solution? Really? REALLY? Sorry, but I call bullshit.

Yeah, I did love the Doctor/Donna friendship as well, though obviously I can't agree on it being the first relationship that felt natural and comfortable to me (since you've probably noticed that I ship Doctor/Rose like FedEx! ;)). As for Donna's fate, while it was very sad, and I wished she could have been around another season (although then 10 would have needed to been around another season), I don't think it's all that unbelievable that he couldn't have found a way to fix her...he may be the Doctor, but he can't fix everything and everyone, he's not really a God. (Though the thing in TEOT where she didn't actually die like he said she would if she remembered was dumb and a cop-out). And what caused her having to have her memories taken away in the first place was pretty epic and made Donna so nice and important, which I liked...

The thing is, Donna had to stop traveling with him eventually--nobody can stay with the Doctor forever especially not on a TV show like this that's about to have a new showrunner with a clean slate. She either had to a) die (would you have wanted that?) or b) get separated in a tragic way like Rose, or c) end up at home feeling desolate wishing she could be back in the TARDIS. Given how horrified she was at the thought of returning--the way she was begging and pleading with the Doctor not to take her back there, I'm not so sure that having her memories wiped was such a terrible thing at least as far as her not having to live stuck on earth wishing she was still with the Doctor. I don't know that Donna ever could have been happy living at home but remembering all that, do you? So I don't know, it was very tragic and emotional end for her, but at the same time not so bad perhaps. And as I say above, I like that she finally finds a decent guy and gets to have that wedding she wanted long ago, when we first met her...(I like coming full circle and stuff).

And to add insult to injury he bought her off with a fucking lottery ticket. Because obviously money will bring back the light to her eyes and the joy to her soul. Cash will make Wilf not mourn the granddaughter she became and the fact that she's been forced, through no fault of her own, to settle for this kind of half-life. Yeah, of course. Money fixes everything.

I don't think that was quite what they were going for with that. I didn't fully understand it, but it had something to do with her deceased father, which is where Ten got the raffle-ticket from. j And I think it was supposed to just be a nice little gesture/wedding present anyway. I wouldn't call what Donna has a "half-life", she can't remember what came before, and she's found happiness at last with a husband who cares for her, and with her family and such, what really would have been a half-life is if she had been forced to stay on earth REMEMBERING everything, IMO. And IDK in TEOT she didn't seem that far off from the Donna that we grew to love in season 4, even if she forgot everything, I don't think the effect all those events had on her would necessarily wear off so easily...(talk about unpopular opinions!)

sherrilina: 9/Rose (Doctor Who)sherrilina on September 18th, 2010 12:51 am (UTC)
Cont...
(Lol so rambling that I needed to break this up into two posts!)

Like you, I think Amy needs a little work. I like her a lot and I give her a lot of leeway but I think she needs some more acting lessons because she can be really stiff sometimes.

Yeah, exactly, though also IDK, I still don't entirely get her, maybe it's the cracks in time's effect, but IDK. Like, who is a kissogram for a living? (And who kisses other people for a living when they have a sweet boyfriend like Rory?) Has she gone to school or anything? I still feel like Amy is something of a blank slate, and I hope we learn more about her and what her deal is in season 6...

Rory, however, is the best thing since sliced bread. I love having a male companion again.

Yeah, I was just rewatching the D/R/J scenes from The Empty Child, The Doctor Dances, and Boom Town, they really did have a great dynamic with a third male companion like Jack there, and I wish we could have had more of that....D/M/J was great as well. Again, I'd really love to see Jack return and meet 11 at some point...

It's funny you should say you disliked River in these two eps because I couldn't stand her in Ten's eps. Rivers interactions with Eleven are, IMO, much, much better than with Ten. I prefer her now and I love the way she is with Amy. She really grew on me.

IDK, I just feel like she was more smug/smirking more in her first two epps of season 5, perhaps because she knew then that the Doctor had already met her and felt more sure of herself...*shrug* And I liked her red hair better cuz I'm shallow like that But again, she was more tolerable for me in the final episodes, but I'm still not sure about her relationship with the Doctor overall...
She that is Me: DrW - Keep Calm and Get In The Tardissweetsyren on October 25th, 2010 09:49 am (UTC)
Better late than never!
Hmm, I find that interesting if you were tired of angsty!Ten, that the only special you like is the one where he's like the most angsty, barring TEOT perhaps...

I actually loved angsty!Ten. I didn’t mean to give that impression. I just didn’t like him when he was angsting over Rose.

Yeah, I did love the Doctor/Donna friendship as well, though obviously I can't agree on it being the first relationship that felt natural and comfortable to me (since you've probably noticed that I ship Doctor/Rose like FedEx! ;)).

My issue with Rose as a companion wasn’t Rose herself. She was a good companion. They had good interaction and characterisation. There was nothing wrong with that. And her ending was one of the best companion goodbyes in Who history. It was heartbreaking and epic and awesome.

The issue I had with Rose (and this wasn’t her fault obviously) was that they wouldn’t let her stay gone. They just kept bringing her up over and over and over again. The whole reason Martha wasn’t as strong as she could have been was that she was mooning after the Doctor who was mooning after Rose. I don’t think there was an episode apart from maybe Blink where Rose wasn’t mentioned. I actually felt that it was disrespectful of Roses part in the Doctors life. It was a perfect ending and it would have been fine to have left it there. But they just kept pushing it and pushing it. That’s how I felt anyway.

As for Donna's fate, while it was very sad, and I wished she could have been around another season (although then 10 would have needed to been around another season),

I agree. Donna could only have been Tens assistant. I don’t think she would have worked with Eleven.

I don't think it's all that unbelievable that he couldn't have found a way to fix her...he may be the Doctor, but he can't fix everything and everyone, he's not really a God. (Though the thing in TEOT where she didn't actually die like he said she would if she remembered was dumb and a cop-out). And what caused her having to have her memories taken away in the first place was pretty epic and made Donna so nice and important, which I liked...

The issue I have with it is that he didn’t even try. He just said, “No, can’t be done!” and that was that. I personally don’t believe that the Doctor would do that at all. That felt totally OOC to me. But then it’s possible my opinion is coloured by the fact that I wanted her back so badly.

(You’re completely right about that being a cop-out. It was lame lame lame.)

Yes you’re right that the end of series 4 was a good ending but I needed for her to get put right again. I HATE the fact that she didn’t get a choice. (I’ll go into this in a minute.)

The thing is, Donna had to stop traveling with him eventually--nobody can stay with the Doctor forever especially not on a TV show like this that's about to have a new showrunner with a clean slate.

Oh I had no issue with Ten leaving or with Donna leaving too. I would have liked to have seen a Moffat/Tennant/Tate series but we can’t always have nice things can we?

cont.
She that is Me: DrW - Keep Calm and Get In The Tardissweetsyren on October 25th, 2010 09:50 am (UTC)
Re: Cont...
She either had to a) die (would you have wanted that?) or b) get separated in a tragic way like Rose, or c) end up at home feeling desolate wishing she could be back in the TARDIS. Given how horrified she was at the thought of returning--the way she was begging and pleading with the Doctor not to take her back there, I'm not so sure that having her memories wiped was such a terrible thing at least as far as her not having to live stuck on earth wishing she was still with the Doctor. I don't know that Donna ever could have been happy living at home but remembering all that, do you?

I think she would have been fine on Earth, as long as it was her choice. That’s the key thing for me. He took away her choice. He stripped her of everything they did together and left her with a massive gap in her memories and no say in what her life might have been.

As for her dying, well, in the moment before he took her memories, she knew exactly what he was going to do and she said no. She told him not to do it. And he did it anyway. She wanted to stay, knowing that it meant her death, she wanted to keep them anyway and he took the decision away from her. That’s so many different kinds of wrong I don’t even know where to start.

So yes. I would have been fine with her dying. Because she would have been fine with it.


And as I say above, I like that she finally finds a decent guy and gets to have that wedding she wanted long ago, when we first met her...(I like coming full circle and stuff).

But my chief problem with this is that she knew better. She knew there was more to life than just those things. She wasn’t that same person we met anymore after travelling with the Doctor but he took that away from her. What she was left with was a situation she might have wanted once upon a time but not one she wanted after getting out and seeing the world.

IDK…there are so many opinions on this.

I don't think that was quite what they were going for with that. I didn't fully understand it, but it had something to do with her deceased father, which is where Ten got the raffle-ticket from. j And I think it was supposed to just be a nice little gesture/wedding present anyway.

I don’t know either to be honest. It just felt…cheap to me. Like he was buying her off. “I’m sorry you have this huge gap in your life, but nevermind, have lots of money instead.” Again…that’s open to interpretation. I like the touch with her Dad though. That was nice.

I wouldn't call what Donna has a "half-life", she can't remember what came before, and she's found happiness at last with a husband who cares for her, and with her family and such, what really would have been a half-life is if she had been forced to stay on earth REMEMBERING everything, IMO.

I can’t agree with this. This part of TEoT says it all for me:

Doctor: Right. [watching Donna pack the car] Is she happy? Is he nice?
Wilf: Yeah, he’s sweet enough. He’s a bit of a dreamer. Mind you, he’s on minimum wage, she’s earning tuppence, so all they can afford is a tiny little flat. [as Donna unlocks the car] And then sometimes I see this look on her face. Like she’s so sad. But she can’t remember why.
Doctor [sadly]: She’s got him.
Wilf: She’s making do.

Her own grandfather thinks that she’s making do. He knows her better than anyone and he says she’s in pain. I just don’t see how that’s a good thing.

Anyway!! Onwards to the new series.

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She that is Me: DrW - Keep Calm and Get In The Tardissweetsyren on October 25th, 2010 09:50 am (UTC)
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I still feel like Amy is something of a blank slate, and I hope we learn more about her and what her deal is in season 6...

Yes this! I think she’ll be fleshed out a lot. The finale left a lot of room for that.

Again, I'd really love to see Jack return and meet 11 at some point...

I don’t know if that’ll happen to be honest. I hope it does but I think Jack is very much an RTD character.

IDK, I just feel like she was more smug/smirking more in her first two epps of season 5, perhaps because she knew then that the Doctor had already met her and felt more sure of herself...*shrug* And I liked her red hair better cuz I'm shallow like that But again, she was more tolerable for me in the final episodes, but I'm still not sure about her relationship with the Doctor overall...

I think that’s what makes River interesting. I like what they’re doing with her. Her potential and someone important in his life. I have a theory that she’s going to turn out to be Romana, maybe even the Rani. I also think she’s going to kill the Doctor and force him to regenerate. That’s been hinted at so I’m curious to see where that leads.

And now I will shut up cos this is waaaaay longer than I intended! Lol *smish*