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01 June 2012 @ 06:17 pm
Finished with Battlestar Galactica: This is a Feels Post! (s3-4)  
This past Sunday night/early Monday morning I finished watching BSG for the first time, almost two weeks after I began it! I am still filled with many thoughts and feels right now that I need to express. I'm glad I finished during a 3-day weekend so that I had time to finish watching and then have a day after to ~process~ it all, and explore fandom a bit...(all images from Tumblr):

So basically the letters "BSG" in the show's acronym might as well stand for "Baltar Six Gaius" as far as my primary emotional and intellectual interest in the show is concerned. Gaius remained my absolute favorite character, Gaius/Six my OTP of OTPs, and together they were my main impetus in watching the show--I feel a lot of my feelings about particular seasons and episodes have to do with what they were up to and whether they were present, and I did a fair bit of "Where is Gaius?!"-ing at various parts of the show. So much love...for all of his faults and terrible behavior at times he is IMO the best constructed character on the show with the best arc (minus a few missteps in season 4 which I will come to later). And Caprica's storyline and arc (aside from the Saul Story That I Try to Repress) was equally compelling...really all of the Sixes are great, it's amazing how Tricia Helfer is able to make them so distinct with the slightest changes in facial expression.


(I love that my OTP has such great official promo shots...<333)

I think seasons 1 and 2 remain my favorites, but seasons 3 and 4 had their moments as well:

Season 3

But to begin with, wow, the season 2 finale...my two favorite bbs in such opposition. O_o Much as I love Gaius I knew he'd be a disastuh as president so I kind of hoped Roslin would get away with the election fraud, but alas no...and then everything was TERRIBLE and "No...I wanted the opposite of this. ;_;" for a while, throughout the New Caprica arc (which was just SO bleak I found it hard to enjoy--and I found the arc often focused a lot of time on characters that I didn't care as much for and dragged a bit, so that I cannot say it's one of my fave storylines). There were a few really great scenes that I love to death though, like:

-When they first enter Colonial One and Caprica Six tells Gaius that she knows him very well (guh!)--the look of recognition in his eyes...
-Their scene when she discusses his downward spiral of self-loathing and he asks her to stay (I was a bit disappointed with their interactions when they were finally meeting again for the first time since the miniseries, but understandable given the circumstances)



-Gaius talking to Roslin in her cell about the horror of suicide bombings, imploring her to put a stop to them--such a FANTASTIC scene, especially the way it turns your preconceptions on their head--Gaius turns out to be holding the moral high ground, incredibly, and just gah, all of Gaius and Laura's scenes are wonderful. <3
-When they forced Gaius to sign the execution order at gunpoint (omg such an intense and heart-wrenching scene! ;_;), with Caprica dying trying to stop the others (aww)
-When Gaeta holds the gun to Gaius's head, and Gaius is like, KILL ME PLEASE, and then he lets him go...you know that the whole New Caprica situation messed with Gaius' head when he actually gave up his defining will to survive temporarily!



-When Gaius finds Hera as they look for D'Anna and holds her...so exciting (also Gaius + baby=adorable). And part of his role as Hera's guardian along with Caprica...

I think I enjoyed season 3 more once they were off New Caprica (maybe I just found it easier to watch), though I found it a bit hit and miss--I found myself mostly just interested in the scenes with Gaius on the basestar, especially once they explained projections and the whole question of his identity and the Final Five came up. (Also I loved "Battlestar Sonatica," lol, I kept wondering if that was "Moonlight Sonata" playing or not...so eerie and mysterious). All of those parts, and when he visited Galactica as a Cylon emissary and went to the Temple of the Five, were gripping and enjoyable to me, and same with his return to Galactica in captivity. (I had spent a lot of mental energy ever since the beginning of the NC arc trying to figure out how he could come back to the ship and be like they all were in middle school, even dreaming about it, lol--again, he was my main investment!) The scenes of him hanging himself and getting tortured were so haunting, though I liked how the storyline of Baltar revealing his complicity in the original Twelve Colonies attack piece by piece continued.

I loved his book (lol forever) and role as a social agitator, and the examination of the class situation in "Dirty Hands". I loved even more the new insights we got into his background in that episode--I never dreamed he came from such a humble background on another planet besides Caprica, and it made him even more sympathetic IMO (and heartbreaking, especially when the finale rolled around...;_;). I can just picture him as a boy growing up, feeling different and apart from everyone else because of his intellect, and dreaming of something more...and having issues with his family, as we see later. :/

There were a lot of boring, pointless filler episodes though (especially when Gaius wasn't even in an episode) and other blah stuff like the Dualla/Apollo/Starbuck/Anders love quadrangle which was so useless and annoying and made me really dislike/want to smack Apollo and Starbuck for a while. :/ I felt for Dualla especially--I wish she had gone with Billy, they were always so cute together, but oh well. In this vein the only parts of "Unfinished Business" that I liked were that the flashbacks showed that New Caprica was not all rainy bleak doom and gloom like we had seen thus far, and the Roslin/Adama flashbacks (♥) which came up so often later. /unpopular opinion (Though I also just hate watching boxing, so...). I mean really Starbuck, after all the trauma of Leobhan's mind games on New Caprica you're really hung up on romantic angst? O_o

Anyway, I did like the focus on Gaius in the final arc with his trial, though I also found it rather frustrating because of how BS the whole thing was--Roslin issued a BLANKET PARDON, that means EVERYONE, GAIUS INCLUDED! *rolleyes* I was rather annoyed at Roslin in this arc for being so hypocritical, and Gaeta went from a fave to on my shit list for a while with his perjury. >:( But thank god for Mark Sheppard (and his perpetual win--loved seeing him again in another great role--perfect lawyer for Baltar!), and then Apollo (who I liked more than ever in this arc, especially for his 100% trufax testimony at the end, PREACH). So glad Gaius got off, as he rightfully should have...and lol forever @ "Much as I hate to use a cat metaphor...I'm sure you'll land on your feet." Truer words were never spoken where Baltar is concerned, that cockroach survivalist. :p

Also Kara's exit in "Maelstrom" was really moving, especially with all the flashbacks with her mother than explain so much...the mandala thing was one of the more interesting story arcs aside from Baltar this season.

Season 4

I know it gets a lot of hate, but I did enjoy a lot of parts of season 4 (especially in the first half), appreciating that it was pretty fast-paced and mostly mytharc after all the boring fillers last season. I was okay with the identities of the Final Five and liked learning more about all that and the origins of the humanoid Cylons (because I was wondering how the centurions could have created them), with their memories of Earth. The exploration of the shared Opera House vision was cool (not knowing how lame it'd be in hindsight), especially when Roslin had Baltar come with her because she saw him in the vision (loved that connection with the Kobol vision!). Their scenes when Gaius is dying and she's patching him up, and then attempts to murder him after he finally confesses his crimes and guilt (which omg, finally! And ;_;)...so epic! And then her changing her mind and desperately trying to save him, after she spent all of last season going, "Sam Winchester Gaius Baltar must die!"...beautiful and perfect! I'm so glad they finally resolved their conflict enough to get on good terms again, more like partners of sorts, as they were in the very beginning and when she made him her VP.

Roslin/Baltar is the relationship on the show that captivates me the most after Gaius/Six, and not in a shippy or romantic way. I just find their evolving dynamic to be so fascinating, the way they become epic rivals, two sides of the same coin, the two presidents, both so full of a will to survive, moving towards each other a bit in terms of morality from their opposite poles, both becoming swept up by newfound religion and thinking themselves divine instruments, part of a higher plan, seemingly bound together by coincidence or destiny (with her happening to see him on the Riverwalk, going from running mates to rivals, and then the whole Opera House thing, etc)...their duality is fascinating to me. It's why I love this perfect promo pic, found in this wonderful s3 OST album cover--they have such great album and promotional art for this show, love all the symbolism...and it's fitting they put Roslin and Baltar together in a face-off given their opposition throughout that season:


(Also--my two favorites grouped together in one promo! :D)

The mutiny arc was also exciting and sad--I loved Roslin and Baltar joining forces (allies now! <33), talking about Gaeta and how they "both made mistakes in [their] presidential aide-de-camps" (parallels!), Roslin being an HBIC who refused to back down, and most of all Gaius's phone call to Gaeta and later his conversation at the table--"I know who you are." ;_;



I love this resolution to their relationship, how they come to understand one another and forgive each other in the end, after their differences and animosity--especially when in the beginning Gaeta admired Gaius so much and was always eager to help him out, it was adorable and sad in retrospect. Another complicated Gaius relationship on the show I love...(This gif set sums it up so well).

But there was also a lot about this season that I did NOT like at all. :/ I think overall aside from Daybreak and the mutiny arc 4.5 was a mess. I especially hated how Gaius and Caprica Six were used, the way they just DROPPED their relationship for no apparent reason after they were finally reunited on the same ship and out of prison (like really now, after all they've been through, neither would bother to seek the other out and talk to him/her?! *rolleyes*). I also disliked how the head visions too all but disappeared (I especially missed the chance to see a little more Head!Gauis with Caprica). The Caprica/Saul storyline was the most random, stupid, horrible and pointless thing ever, and I'm trying to repress that from my memory. D: They could have done better with Gaius as well. I liked some of the cult stuff (it was very funny at first, and ironic), but some of it was just...didn't work for me. I'd say it was the low point in his storyline, and that there was a lot of wasted potential for his character and Caprica's. *sigh*

Two other disappointing things, on perhaps a more superficial level: the loss of the characteristic opener ("The Cylons were created by man....") and the loss of Gaius' lovely mane of hair. Whose idea was it to cut it?! :( It always looked so good long (and symbolically set him apart from the rest on Galactica in their shirt military haircuts), and then they killed it. :( In some ways I even preferred the Jesus look because he still had the long hair.

BUT THE FINALE--THE FINALE MADE UP FOR A LOT OF THINGS.

Daybreak Pt.1-3

THE FLASHBACKS OMG. GAIUS AND HIS DAD AND HOW CAPRICA SIX FINALLY WON OVER HIS HEART AND GOT HIM TO GIVE HER ACCESS TO THE DEFENSE SYSTEM ("THE THINGS MEN DO FOR LOVE"--AND HER HAPPY, WONDERING SMILE AT HIS USE OF THAT WORDS, DARING TO HOPE)...JUST SEEING MORE OF THEIR ORIGIN STORY, ESPECIALLY THE WAY THE LAST SCENE WAS INTERCUT INTO THE LAST TEN MINUTES, KILLED ME. Also Roslin's tragedy with her family, my poor HBIC. ;_;

Aside from the flashbacks though, I was not so fond of "Daybreak Part 1"--I even kind of put off watching the last two episodes because I was so set up for disappointment, worried things just would not turn out as I hoped. :/ I even began to think Gaius just wouldn't go on the mission which would have rendered his whole Hera storyline pointless.

BUT THEN THE LAST TWO EPISODES! I think the payoff for the Opera House vision was a little weak, but still great, seeing Gauis holding Hera and wandering around the ship with Caprica Six, intercut with the Opera House vision...

And the scene right before when Caprica Six tells Gaius she's proud of him and they kiss and then see their head!versions together and realize they both see them--perfect, I think I might have actually started clapping my hands in my squee! <333 ABOUT DAMN TIME GUYS. I do wish they had discussed that more, however, because I've been wanting to hear that conversation all along...*sigh* I still don't entirely understand why Gaius had the ability to project as a Cylon did--was it all Head!Six using her ~angelic powers~ to put the full scale projections into his mind? :s. I'm also still mad that the writers dropped them for so long, but I'm glad they at least picked them up again in time for the end.

Poor Boomer, her story was perhaps the most tragic of all. ;_; I loved seeing her projections with Tyrol and her final speech about choices. (Tyrol also got a pretty rough deal, didn't he?). The Starbuck thing was kind of weird and maybe a cop-out, but I'm strangely okay with it--I mean given there's this deity on the show, this higher power, who has been orquestrating things all along, I can buy that in giving herself over to her destiny she was able to come back to complete her mission and then find peace. (And maybe I also just didn't find it so strange a concept after practically the same thing happened on ATS with Cordelia, lol). It's a lovely scene, and it's nice that she she was finally at peace, after saying goodbye to the Admiral ("nothing but the rain" daww) and Lee. The scene where she made the final jump using her beautiful music was also incredible and exhilarating--I'm glad they did finally find the real Earth, just as Galactica was wearing down. I never shipped Lee/Kara much so on that count I was not too torn up on that count, though I did feel bad for Lee--especially when his father had also abandoned him...for reasons. :s

The final scene with Roslin and Adama broke my heart, I legit teared up when he put his wedding ring on her finger after she died, with their beautiful musical theme playing...and talking about their cabin. :( Though as much as I liked his devotion to her, I don't quite understand why he wanted to live the rest of his life alone away from his son. There are a few things that don't quite add up in the finale, especially the idea that everyone (with as fractious a population as they had on that fleet) just agreed to give up all their technology, etc. But I can mostly overlook those plot holes and love the finale because:

GAIUS/CAPRICA SIX OMGGG AT LAAAAST! ♥ \o/ It almost makes up for the BS throughout season 4, that final scene between them, the "You know, I know about farming"...brb sobbing forever--his faaaace! ;_;



I thought it was a perfect ending for him and Caprica Six, a fitting conclusion to his near flawless character arc. I love how he ends up going back to the roots he tried to escape so long (even though um, IDK how much he'd know about growing things from being on a dairy farm), and that they get to BE together, after everything they've been through--the one other person they had fallen in love with, against all odds. It's not a purely happy ending for them, since Gaius has to do the work he never wanted (farming is hard work, especially with no technology!), and they both have to remember their guilt about Caprica, but still...they end up walking into the sunset together! This is not a common occurrence with my ships, lol, d00med!shipper that I am...;) I hope they manage to have a good life together and maybe even have those kids Caprica Six has wanted for so long (actually fulfilling the promise of the first Opera House vision literally)!



TL;DR: I was so thrilled with the satisfying conclusion to my primary emotional investment in the series that I couldn't help but feel happy after the finale, for all the other issues. :p

The *very* ending though...yeah, I was not sure what to think about that. O_o At least the Head!Gaius/Six looked BAMF walking down the street together, and I took satisfaction in the fact that James Callis and Tricia Helfer were the last people we saw on the show...;)

Also anyone know of some good Gaius/Six vids? I have been having trouble finding decent ones, this is the best I've found so far:



I need more quality Gaius/Six vids in my life.

Anyway, so while it wasn't perfect I still love this show overall and think it's one of the best I've ever seen, if not the best. ♥ NGL I want to watch it all over again already, and have begun the miniseries. I had already rewatched a number of Gaius and Six scenes, particularly pertaining to Hera, before I finished the end of s4. I wish I could show it to a new viewer...I also am going to at least give Caprica a chance, even though I hear it's not great.

+In other TV news, I seem to be unable to get out of "marathoning" mode so I've begun watching Revenge--which is also really good and addictive and tragic, though in a somewhat different way...

 
 
 
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sherrilina: Cesare (The Borgias)sherrilina on June 2nd, 2012 03:40 am (UTC)
Ooh yes, you should watch it! I'd be interested to hear what you think, I hope you would love it to...:) (And I wonder if you'd feel the same way I do about a certain character, who does in some ways remind me of Cesare in looks and personality. ;)). Make sure though that if you begin watching you start with the "miniseries" (which for all intents and purposes is the pilot, and Netflix groups it in s1 at least). If you do watch let me know what you think!

Thanks, bb! *hug* And aw that's fine, life happens (and there was no new epp last weekend anyway)! That would be great if you could do the posts this week though...:)
the business of benefiting hussies: [bsg] morally? practically.marketchippie on June 1st, 2012 10:47 pm (UTC)
VIDS YOU SAY. WELL. THIS VID. WATCH NOW. I've only got the one, I know, but it's the love of my life.

And, ugh, your thoughts tend to be my thoughts, although you came to the finale more equitably than I did—I hated s4 so much for so long that all I could do was hiss like a cat even when they were giving me happy things, like, DON'T YOU TRY TO PLACATE ME!! (I, er, dropped that wrt the finale in actual fact—I am only human and OCH, MAKEOUTS IN HELMETS, DISCUSSIONS WITH HEADPERSONS, TRAGEDY/HAPPINESS, ALL THINGS GOOD. (I am on the annoyed side about the last two minutes, like: don't implicate my OTP in this nonsense!)

Can we talk about how much more time with cylons, specifically with Caprica, the New Caprica stuff needed? Like, why am I watching the Chief's labour union shenanigans when I could be spending time with the actual builders of the civilization? Where are Caprica and Boomer and why are they not onscreen for ALL OF THE TIME?

Also lolmg @ the promo pic; I love them to death but I can never not laugh at that photo. It's the clothes: she looks like she's just come from So You Think You Can Dance, he looks like a rubbish college undergrad on laundry day, I die. (Darlings.)
sherrilina: Gaius/Six (Battlestar Galactica)sherrilina on June 2nd, 2012 04:31 am (UTC)
Yay for more agreement, aside from bits of s4! :D It's good to know I am not alone in these feels...sorry you hated s4 so much. Was it largely the Gaius and Caprica issues, or the plotlines as well? (Daybreak holes aside).

VIDS YOU SAY. WELL. THIS VID. WATCH NOW. I've only got the one, I know, but it's the love of my life.

Oh yes, I lied, I had seen that one before as well (the first I ever saw), but I wasn't sure how to embed that one...it was a decent vid though, and I love that song! (I got it after hearing it in the vid and have had it pretty much on repeat on my iPod the past week...so fitting for them). But thanks for the rec anyway, IA with it! :)

(I am on the annoyed side about the last two minutes, like: don't implicate my OTP in this nonsense!)

What do you mean by this, exactly? O_o Because the Head!versions of Gaius and Six were involved with the present day Earth thing?

Can we talk about how much more time with cylons, specifically with Caprica, the New Caprica stuff needed? Like, why am I watching the Chief's labour union shenanigans when I could be spending time with the actual builders of the civilization? Where are Caprica and Boomer and why are they not onscreen for ALL OF THE TIME?

UGH YES THIS! >:( I think that was my main problem with the NC arc, that it was a good concept but failed to show enough of the right people--Tyrol is a nice guy but he and Cally and random people I never knew before like Jammer were just not people I found myself interested enough in to see so much of, so much of the time. It definitely would have been nice to see more of a Cylon perspective on that, more of a balance. Like I did love the Six who kills Jean Barlow (sp?) in s4 because she is still scarred by Jean murdering her so coldly--that was a wonderful glimpse of how the NC experiment scarred more than just the humans. More of that in the s3 epps would have been nice.

Or especially Boomer--such focus in Downloaded, and then like nothing--Caprica and D'Anna had most of the screentime, but Boomer doesn't get to share her pov really until s4. And did she never seek out Tyrol, given her feelings? That would have been a more interesting Tyrol storyline IMO...

Also lolmg @ the promo pic; I love them to death but I can never not laugh at that photo. It's the clothes: she looks like she's just come from So You Think You Can Dance, he looks like a rubbish college undergrad on laundry day, I die. (Darlings.)

Lol, now that you mention it that is kind of true, especially with her shoes and the way her feet are positioned...:p Oh well, still love it--Head!Six is always going to be more put together than he is anyway, might as well show in the clothes..;)
the business of benefiting hussies: [bsg] morally? practically.marketchippie on June 2nd, 2012 04:42 am (UTC)
Ahahahaha, my feelings about the last two minutes are almost totally irrational, I just loathe that scene—like, the politics of it, all the supersimplistic antitech jargon that goes against the whole fact of the show (YOU BUILT ROBOTS THAT CAN TALK TO GOD! AND YOU ARE TRYING TO SCARE ME WITH A FURBY?)—that I'd like to block it out of my memory wholesale, and I CAN'T because MY OTP; I have to CONCENTRATE and I RESENT THAT DEEPLY.

Although as a less irrational (though deeply semantic) objection: why are the angels tailored to Gaius and Caprica's subconsciouses still around when those two have presumably been dead for centuries? (I KNOW. I KNOW. IT'S TO TELEGRAPH ANGELIC...BUSINESS TO THE AUDIENCE. BUT IT IS PAT AND I AM MAD.)
sherrilina: Gaius/Six (Battlestar Galactica)sherrilina on June 2nd, 2012 04:54 am (UTC)
Ah I see...so because they have appearance of the OTP then, their faaaces, it's like they're mixing them up in it even though it's not actually them but their angelic messengers...(I was super confused about their presence in that scene at first).

And lol I was wondering about that to, but I guess they wanted the audience to know it was still those angels who we were seeing...and show us the beloved Head!versions one more time (maybe the angels got used to and enjoy wearing Tricia Helfer's and James Callis' lovely faces? :p). I still find it funny that they were collaborating as a team/unit all this time...
Nicole Anell: otp happynicole_anell on June 2nd, 2012 12:59 am (UTC)
(I love that my OTP has such great official promo shots...<333)
CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT PROMO SHOT. It used to be my desktop wallpaper. The way he's clinging to her, guh.

and just gah, all of Gaius and Laura's scenes are wonderful. <3
AREN'T THEY THOUGH? The detention center scene on New Caprica is my favorite between them ever, I can just go on and on about it. He really does have the moral high ground for a minute there, though my real favorite thing is when he shouts "Nobody has been tortured!" is such desperate denial.

I feel like I need to meta one of these days about Baltar's arc in S4, because I actually enjoy the cult stuff a lot, although his role in it is kind of uneven and I understand why people feel it was wasted time. In general I think the later seasons of the show are vastly underrated, but that may be because I care about Baltar + Cylons + Gaeta + Tighs, and everything else on the show was, I dunno, a bonus.

OH MY DAYBREAK THOUGH, DAYBREAK LOOOOOVE. I even love the final scene in all honesty I sorted out my feelings about that in a post long ago:

And I *do* love it linking to our world, where all that remains is Cylon-human blood in "our" veins and some myths and misquoted religions. A song that won't go away. A desire for toys that blink and wave to us. The repetition of history so old we forgot it AGAIN, just like they forgot Earth 1 and Kobol. Because the cycle never ends, and that is scary and amazing and a warning and a relief. Played the only way it can be -- like a joke.

But yeah, more importantly HEADSIX AND HEADBALTAR, AN ETERNITY OF SNARKING TOGETHER. First and final OTP in the series. Tricia Helfer, first and last in the series. Bless you BSG for this beautiful ship symmetry I didn't even know I wanted.

VIDS, VIDS! Dolled Up in Straps was already mentioned, which is an incredible vid. (Spoiler alert: everything by beccatoria is.)

Some others I can think of are Gold Dust Woman and Everybody Loves Me (Gaius). I hate to self-rec, but I have two Baltar/Six crack vids of my own that I'm pretty proud of: I Touch Myself (Gaius/HeadSix - download only) and Carol Brown (Gaius/everyone and Gaius/Caprica).

...Sorry, you said something nice about Daybreak and I got a little enthusiastic. ;)
sherrilina: Gaius Baltar (Battlestar Galactica)sherrilina on June 5th, 2012 05:31 am (UTC)
(Sorry about replying so late, I didn't get a chance to watch your recs and comment properly until now!)

First off, that icon! <333 She looks so happy and into it, that smiiileee! One of the rare glimpses of them as a normal-ish couple...

CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT PROMO SHOT. It used to be my desktop wallpaper. The way he's clinging to her, guh.

Yesss exactly, I love the way they are interlocked, clinging to each other, just as they are on the show on a metaphorical and literal level (most of the time in the early seasons at least). And the differences in the grips, with hers much more proprietary and dominant, as appropriate...this show has such good promo shots! (It's nice when you get free official fanart, more or less...:p)

I feel like I need to meta one of these days about Baltar's arc in S4, because I actually enjoy the cult stuff a lot, although his role in it is kind of uneven and I understand why people feel it was wasted time.

I'd be interested in reading that! (Especially since I just read in the comments to one of your video recs that you were really upset about the way he just set his guilt aside/decided he was absolved in his convo with Roslin, which I feel was part of his cult arc). I mean, I liked the cult stuff at first, finding it amusing and such (and I always liked it when people realized he might be on to something at times--the river thing, the angels conversation with Kara), but then as we NEVER saw him interacting with either Caprica or Head!Six and some of the stuff he was saying, and the handing out food storyline towards the end...I felt he could have been used in so many other ways, better integrated into the Opera House Vision thing (like you'd think he'd be thinking, "Hmm, wait, I had a vision with Hera in the Opera House too...")...I remember wondering if he had happened to walk by Hera if she might instinctively run to him the way she had Natalie (and seems to be connected to the Sixes). When he said, "well obviously I'm a protector" in the scene where Roslin tries to clarify her vision from the hybrid, I was thinking, "Damn straight you are! Before Roslin decided to be too," and would have loved that to be brought up (like the way he called her out on her on political use of religion in the past during the mutiny arc)--I wonder, does Roslin or Sharon or Helo know Gaius was the one who found Hera on New Caprica? IDK, I think about this kind of stuff, and I was disappointed almost none of this (or for instance Sam mentioning Caprica saving him--did he realize she was the one?) came up ever...I think there was a good degree of potential never realized in the last two seasons.

In general I think the later seasons of the show are vastly underrated, but that may be because I care about Baltar + Cylons + Gaeta + Tighs, and everything else on the show was, I dunno, a bonus.

I agree though that seasons 3 and 4 aren't as awful as many seem to say--I did really love Gaius' arc in season 3 (basestar! is he a cylon?! sudden major background reveals and character insights!), even though sometimes I kind of missed the "good old days" of him as Mr. Scientist-cum-Politician</s> (I was actually squeeing a bit when we did see him donning ye olde lab coat and running scientific tests the few times in season 4!) and his glasses and tweed look</s>. (The problem with s3 for me though was that I was super bored much of the time that Gaius was not on screen...).
sherrilina: Gaius/Six (Battlestar Galactica)sherrilina on June 5th, 2012 05:32 am (UTC)
(Broken up b/c of character limit..oops)
OH MY DAYBREAK THOUGH, DAYBREAK LOOOOOVE. I even love the final scene...

But yeah, more importantly HEADSIX AND HEADBALTAR, AN ETERNITY OF SNARKING TOGETHER. First and final OTP in the series. Tricia Helfer, first and last in the series. Bless you BSG for this beautiful ship symmetry I didn't even know I wanted.


Yeah, I was kind of surprised to see so much virulent hate for Daybreak (or the last two parts at least), because the ending gave me allll the feelings, and still does even though I realize some of the flaws and plotholes now (it's kind of like "Chosen" in BTVS for me--I realize it's flawed but SO MANY FEELS). With the final scene I was mostly just confused...but yes, it was nice to see the suave Head!Six and Head!Gaius once more snarking!

I still have to wonder a bit about the angelic agendas though, like why Head!Six kept pushing for Gaius to be in power, even once more in the end with the cult and a voice in the government. Maybe it's clear on a rewatch but was Gaius going against Head!Six's directive when he decided to stay behind on Galactica instead of evacuating? :s

VIDS, VIDS! Dolled Up in Straps was already mentioned, which is an incredible vid. (Spoiler alert: everything by beccatoria is.)

Some others I can think of are Gold Dust Woman and Everybody Loves Me (Gaius). I hate to self-rec, but I have two Baltar/Six crack vids of my own that I'm pretty proud of: I Touch Myself (Gaius/HeadSix - download only) and Carol Brown (Gaius/everyone and Gaius/Caprica).


Thanks for all the great recs! I actually had seen "Dolled Up in Straps" too before (oops), it was a great one and I *love* the song (I put it on my iPod soon after watching and have had it pretty much on repeat along with BSG OST music). And omg I love love love "Gold Dust Woman"! <333 So haunting and beautifully done...(another song I clearly need to get my hands on).

And lol your Carol Brown video is SO hilarious (and horrible--the Gina parts) at the same time, wonderfully done! :p It's amazing how well you matched the lyrics, I think my favorite bit might be the "says one thing and does the other" part with the clips of him recommending outlawing abortion and then seizing it as a campaign issue.

And I tried to watch the "I Touch Myself" video but for some reason it wasn't playing right on my Windows Media Player--like it was just showing pictures mostly, not animation...:s Can't judge though, at one time I was making an Angel crack!vid to that song before a major file loss...;)
Nicole Anell: otp adorablenicole_anell on June 9th, 2012 08:40 pm (UTC)
Re: (Broken up b/c of character limit..oops)
Sorry for replying equally late to YOU! :)

Just to clarify my comments from Becka's vid: That scene is part of his cult arc, and I actually do like it! I was a bit angry at the time that Baltar had backslid to "I have no guilt, I was a flood" etc. and *very* worried that the show might actually kill him off at this low point where he was basically not redeemable at all. But I've always LOVED that scene from a writing and acting standpoint. IMO there were a lot of fears that the show was overly agreeing with his religion in season 4 and justifying him, and I didn't think it was doing that AT ALL. There is no way to read his "we're all perfect" speech at the end of Escape Velocity that's not slightly creepy, and his talk to Roslin there as VERY creepy. The Cult of Baltar is a mishmash of things he believes and things he's faking, and things that are true and things that are filtered through Gaius Baltar, imperfect vessel of a prophet whose very sanity relies on distancing himself from the genocide - to the point where he basically *invented a religion to make it not his fault*.

I agree that I really missed his interaction with HeadSix and/or Caprica. Also that food distribution/guns subplot seemed like it could be setting up something bigger at the time (like his group being an actual militant force) and then fizzled out, but looking back I do get what they *meant* to do there. The cult was growing much stronger in power and popularity, so the fact he breaks away from them in the end means he's *actually giving up something* and not just cutting loose a tiny group of crazy people.

I still have to wonder a bit about the angelic agendas though, like why Head!Six kept pushing for Gaius to be in power, even once more in the end with the cult and a voice in the government. Maybe it's clear on a rewatch but was Gaius going against Head!Six's directive when he decided to stay behind on Galactica instead of evacuating?
Yep. It's the problem of a divine-intervention arc running up against a personal-growth arc. ;) Gaius had to choose that for himself (and kinda for Caprica) and not just be following her anymore, or it wouldn't be as meaningful story-wise. My theory is that HeadSix was always exactly what he needed her to be. In the end he had to take a stand on his own and go *against* what she was telling him, and that actually got him to his destiny. Whatever, man, angels. :p

When he said, "well obviously I'm a protector" in the scene where Roslin tries to clarify her vision from the hybrid, I was thinking, "Damn straight you are! Before Roslin decided to be too," and would have loved that to be brought up
Oh my god YES, at that point I was doing somersaults they even VAGUELY remembered he was the first one to be connected to Hera/opera house. WTF? I always wished they brought that into his storyline more after it was repeatedly foreshadowed in season 1-2. Definitely there's a lot of missed opportunities and continuity stuff I wish they'd done more with.

(I was actually squeeing a bit when we did see him donning ye olde lab coat and running scientific tests the few times in season 4!)
You have noooo idea. I remember a friend and I were just cracking up over the return of LAB COAT GAIUS. WHO LET HIM BACK IN THE LAB? Why wasn't there a whole extra scene of everybody remembering he used to be a scientist?!

Thank you, re: Carol Brown! I had way too much fun just printing out the lyrics and figuring out how to use them, as it went from "random cracky idea" to something I was actually gonna do. :D Also I posted a streaming version of I Touch Myself if that helps. *Shaking my fist* that your Angel one was never able to be finished!

Edited at 2012-06-09 08:41 pm (UTC)
sherrilina: Gaius Baltar (Battlestar Galactica)sherrilina on June 12th, 2012 11:43 pm (UTC)
Re: (Broken up b/c of character limit..oops)
But I've always LOVED that scene from a writing and acting standpoint. IMO there were a lot of fears that the show was overly agreeing with his religion in season 4 and justifying him, and I didn't think it was doing that AT ALL....to the point where he basically *invented a religion to make it not his fault*.

Ok cool, thanks for explaining...while I felt exasperated about him saying he had NO guilt NOW (though I liked him admitting his earlier guilt at least), I did love the scene as a whole because OMG BALTAR VS. ROSLIN EPICNESS. The climax of their fascinating yet rocky relationship, of her never-ending quest to get him to admit to guilt and find out what really happened. And then when she did save him and he was like, "Thanks, I love living", as seen in your recent picspam on Tumblr...<333 One of the highlights of season 4 for me, the eye-rolling aside. I was worried/alarmed for a minute there, but of course he would survive, as always, the cockroach. :p The whole "inventing his own religion to make it not his fault" is a great way of putting it though, I think that does help. (From rational scientist to crazy religious cult leader, what a journey!)

Also that food distribution/guns subplot seemed like it could be setting up something bigger at the time (like his group being an actual militant force) and then fizzled out, but looking back I do get what they *meant* to do there. The cult was growing much stronger in power and popularity, so the fact he breaks away from them in the end means he's *actually giving up something* and not just cutting loose a tiny group of crazy people.

Ah that is a good point, and makes more sense...you should write that meta! :)

Yep. It's the problem of a divine-intervention arc running up against a personal-growth arc. ;) Gaius had to choose that for himself (and kinda for Caprica) and not just be following her anymore, or it wouldn't be as meaningful story-wise.

True...I feel like Head!Six (as an angel) was perhaps telling him to get off the ship, but hoped (in terms of the divine plan) that he would choose to stay (fulfilling his ~destiny). Kind of like in Pan's Labyrinth if you've seen that, where the Faun tells her to do one thing but in defying him she was actually passing the test. I was glad that it was his decision (showing personal growth, yay!) in the end....showing there were some choices and free will involved, despite complaints about it all being too divinely ordained or whatnot.

Though in terms of Head!Six's urgings earlier to get into politics, it seemed like Gaius wasn't even really interested in all that but for her pushing...but I guess the Cylon occupation was part of the big plan? :s

I always wished they brought that into his storyline more after it was repeatedly foreshadowed in season 1-2.

I think that is why I ultimately love season 1 and 2 more, because they do set all that up so well, but then kind of drop the ball on it and fail to follow through until the very end...:/ I was so scared he wouldn't stay at all (when he didn't cross the line in the end of Daybreak Pt. 1), making all of the Hera stuff in his storyline earlier pointless--I actually almost didn't want to watch Daybreak Pt. 2 at that point...:(

And thanks again for the stream upload, it did work in that format! :D
Michelle: lost brainseramercury on June 2nd, 2012 02:25 am (UTC)
I don't even know what to say about this because it's been so long, but again (as with SPN): ALL THE FEELINGS!!!!

I think I need a rewatch...
sherrilina: Dean Smilie (Supernatural)sherrilina on June 2nd, 2012 03:48 am (UTC)
Yess, so many feels! You should rewatch it if it's been awhile. I'd be interested to knowing if any of you opinions had changed on second viewing...
Michelle: Silly Deanseramercury on June 2nd, 2012 05:55 am (UTC)
Oh yes. I've been wondering about that too.
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sherrilina: Gaius Baltar (Battlestar Galactica)sherrilina on June 5th, 2012 05:45 am (UTC)
Oh heyyy! (Sorry took me a minute to remember your username!) How is it going? Did you end up seeing "The Avengers"?

Oh, I didn't realize you were just watching it for the first time! BSG is actually my favorite show ever of all time. I JUST LOVE IT SO MUCH.

Lol yep, it took me a while, but better late than never! ;) I'm glad to hear you're also a fan! :D (I was disappointed to learn that Eric had stopped watching after s1...how can you stop?!) I think it might become my favorite show of all time as well, though I probably have to rewatch a little more just to see...it is SO GOOD THOUGH AND GAH! All the feelings!

never had very strong feelings about Gaius/Six, though. It wasn't until the finale that I realized I really liked them together.

Well neutral feelings is better than negative feelings--I'm just glad you're not a hater and liked them together in the end! ;)

I don't even really have an OTP for the show. I say it's Kara/Lee sometimes, but I have such a love/hate relationship with that pairing, so. It's basically a tie between Kara/Lee, Roslin/Adama, and Helo/Sharon. Helo and Lee are my favorites.

Yeah, I can understand how K/L would be frustrating, especially if you are a Lee fan...:( I liked them at first, but when they just only had issues they (or just Kara?) refused to work though, and everything...IDK. I was sad for Lee though that he didn't get to be with her even in the end. I think I liked Roslin/Adama and Helo/Sharon more. Helo is great, it's amazing how much I love him and appreciate the actor/appeal of him now in this role, whereas in Dollhouse I absolutely despised his character and wanted to stab him with a fork most of the time (did you ever watch that?)....:s

Everyone hates the finale and I feel like I'm one of the few who doesn't. Idk, I thought it was cool, and appropriate. Ugh, reading your thoughts makes me want to rewatch it and cry forever again. I miss it.

Yay, glad there are a few people out there who liked the finale--I also thought it was mostly appropriate! And heh, if you ever want to have a BSG rewatch/marathon party I would be so game for that! ;)

Caprica is actually pretty good, though! I'm so disappointed it got cancelled, it was pretty fascinating. Some great characters, especially the Adamas.

Hmm, you're the first person I know who has said that about Caprica! I've finished part 1 of the Pilot, and am mostly confused for now, though I see enough to keep watching (I do like seeing the infamous Joseph Adama and learning more about the family!). Also I keep lol-ing at the fact that the Graystones' house is clearly the same set as Gaius Baltar's, and I can't help but think Gaius moved there and remodeled it 58 years later...:p

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francy_m79: soldierbaltarfrancy_m79 on June 2nd, 2012 10:09 am (UTC)
Glad you are now part of the BSG-fangirling club! Once you enter, you never leave again!!! XD

I have just finished rewatching the show myself (for the 4th time?), but I have the urge to start all over again. What is this show's secret?? °_°

I had some problems with season 3 and 4, but I was totally satisfied with the finale! <3 Just thinking about it makes me tear up.

And I'm so glad for your Gaius and Gaius/Six love... it doesn't seem to be the popular opinion in some quarters! *glares at BF*

sherrilina: Gaius/Six (Battlestar Galactica)sherrilina on June 5th, 2012 01:57 am (UTC)
Glad to be here too! ;)  Wouldn't dream of leaving...And DAMN GIRL, 4 times?!  That's pretty impressive, especially for YOU, Ms. I-Never-Have-Time-To-Rewatch-Anything! :p   I don't know what its secret is, but I feel the same way--it's not many shows I marathon where I immediately want to start all over again as soon as I finish...(Doctor Who was another one, because how can you resist rewatching "Rose" after the end of EoT with "I think you're going to have a really good year!" ;)).

I had some problems with season 3 and 4, but I was totally satisfied with the finale! <3 Just thinking about it makes me tear up.

Yeah, mte more or less--I recognize there were some big stretches/plot holes in terms of the way they settled Earth and such, but there was also a lot of conclusion and emotional satisfaction and beauty and feels...and it did make me tear up at parts, which doesn't happen a lot on TV!

And I'm so glad for your Gaius and Gaius/Six love... it doesn't seem to be the popular opinion in some quarters! *glares at BF*

I'm glad to have you and Ben as allies there in this regard too! ;) It's not just on BF though...my oldest friend IRL who watched before me joked, "WE ARE NO LONGER FRIENDS" when I said he was my favorite (although she said sometimes she felt bad for him and liked him ok, but mostly disliked him or found he made her nervous), and another friend (in dead seriousness in her case) was like, "I'M SORRY BUT WE CANNOT EVER DISCUSS BSG IRL, YOU ARE A BALTAR FAN!" when she learned of my preference, because she hates him to such an "epic degree" that she said it was better to just not discuss him or it'd get ugly.  (Recently when the subject of people existing only in someone's head I jokingly remarked, "I can think of another example" and she was like, "Don't you dare mention that! I know what you are thinking..."). Ah well!

Love your icon btw! I think I might need to invest in an icon of just Gaius myself...there were a few good ones among those you picked out! :)

Edited at 2012-06-05 02:00 am (UTC)
francy_m79: in my headfrancy_m79 on June 5th, 2012 07:15 pm (UTC)
and DAMN GIRL, 4 times?! That's pretty impressive, especially for YOU, Ms. I-Never-Have-Time-To-Rewatch-Anything! :p

It happens to me with very, very few shows... Buffy and BSG, I guess. I know Buffy by heart, but BSG not so much, despite the several rewatches. My memory is beyond shitty, and BSG is such a complex show that everytime I rewatch I remember the main plots, but many little things still feel new! *wants to watch again*

I'm glad to have you and Ben as allies there in this regard too! ;) It's not just on BF though...my oldest friend IRL who watched before me joked, "WE ARE NO LONGER FRIENDS" when I said he was my favorite (although she said sometimes she felt bad for him and liked him ok, but mostly disliked him or found he made her nervous), and another friend (in dead seriousness in her case) was like, "I'M SORRY BUT WE CANNOT EVER DISCUSS BSG IRL, YOU ARE A BALTAR FAN!" when she learned of my preference, because she hates him to such an "epic degree" that she said it was better to just not discuss him or it'd get ugly. (Recently when the subject of people existing only in someone's head I jokingly remarked, "I can think of another example" and she was like, "Don't you dare mention that! I know what you are thinking..."). Ah well!

People don't know anything!!! I pity them! :p :D ;) Hating Baltar is the easy, superficial thing to do... loving him requires talent!! LOL :D

Love your icon btw! I think I might need to invest in an icon of just Gaius myself...there were a few good ones among those you picked out!

I hate LJ and its stupid lame 15 icons for non paying-users. Want more!!! :(
sherrilina: Gaius Baltar (Battlestar Galactica)sherrilina on June 10th, 2012 08:53 pm (UTC)
It happens to me with very, very few shows... Buffy and BSG, I guess. I know Buffy by heart, but BSG not so much, despite the several rewatches. My memory is beyond shitty, and BSG is such a complex show that everytime I rewatch I remember the main plots, but many little things still feel new! *wants to watch again*

Yeah, I'm finding this is kind of true for me too...I keep thinking I want to rewatch things, but then I don't get around to it. I have barely used my TB or TVD dvds, etc. O_o And lol I used to know Buffy by heart (I could play those episode games where I could identify every one by title), but since then I've watched so much else I'm not sure...:s I'm probably due for a rewatch sometime...though I'd want to rewatch BSG first! ;) (I remember it pretty well because it's so fresh though).

Do a rewatch! :D

(And yes, this is why I have added icons, I cannot deal with only 15 icons...:s I just uploaded a Gaius solo one. :p)

Edited at 2012-06-10 08:54 pm (UTC)
phoenixrising06: bsg- kobolphoenixrising06 on June 12th, 2012 02:16 am (UTC)
And Caprica's storyline and arc (aside from the Saul Story That I Try to Repress)

I think fandom tries to collectively block that particular story from our minds.

t's amazing how Tricia Helfer is able to make them so distinct with the slightest changes in facial expression.

It's crazy, because previous to BSG Tricia had only worked as a model, and so the higher ups at the network didn't want her getting that much screentime, as they thought she couldn't pull it off. BUT SHE IS PERFECT AND SHE SHOWED THEM!

The New Caprica arc is one of those things that was really well done but in the end you feel pretty terrible about life. It did give us the LOLtastic that was Fat!Lee, though.

LORD THE LOVE QUADRANGLE OF DOOM WAS MY LEAST FAVORITE THING ABOUT BSG. I completely agree about how they really should've focused Kara on something other than that stupid quadrangle in the wake of the mind frakkery that was her time on NC. And yeah, I pretty much wanted to punch her and Apollo, which considering how much I usually love Starbuck really tells you something.

I REALLY LIKED SEASON 4 TOO. Season 4 -and especially the finale- get so much fandom hate and I just can't get on that bandwagon. Sure, it had its low points, as you noted. BUT IT HAD THE FARMING LINE! If ever anything in television history broke me, it was that line.

Did you watch Razor as well? Or the The Plan?

You've officially convinced me I need to do a rewatch.
sherrilina: Gaius/Six (Battlestar Galactica)sherrilina on June 12th, 2012 04:02 am (UTC)
Woot I'm so glad that you are also a BSG fan, since I came so late to the party I'm still trying to keep track of who on my flist has seen it and who hasn't, lol...AND A GAIUS/SIX FAN TOO, even better! :D I need as many of those on my flist as possible...*hug*

It's crazy, because previous to BSG Tricia had only worked as a model, and so the higher ups at the network didn't want her getting that much screentime, as they thought she couldn't pull it off. BUT SHE IS PERFECT AND SHE SHOWED THEM!

Wow, seriously?! Lol, why did they hire her then? What a great story, and makes her even more impressive if she had no acting background...like Edith on DA.

It did give us the LOLtastic that was Fat!Lee, though.

Lol I didn't even find that funny, so much as just disturbing...O_o

LORD THE LOVE QUADRANGLE OF DOOM WAS MY LEAST FAVORITE THING ABOUT BSG. I completely agree about how they really should've focused Kara on something other than that stupid quadrangle in the wake of the mind frakkery that was her time on NC. And yeah, I pretty much wanted to punch her and Apollo, which considering how much I usually love Starbuck really tells you something.

I REALLY LIKED SEASON 4 TOO. Season 4 -and especially the finale- get so much fandom hate and I just can't get on that bandwagon. Sure, it had its low points, as you noted. BUT IT HAD THE FARMING LINE! If ever anything in television history broke me, it was that line.


Glad we agree on all this. GAIUS KNOWS ABOUT FARMING, YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID! ;) Gah...

Did you watch Razor as well? Or the The Plan?

Yes I did see Razor (since it came out in the middle of the regular series and was on Netflix and such), though I admit I skipped it initially because with the cliffhanger at the end of season 4 I had no interest in taking a trip back to season 2, lol--I had to see what happened next in the storyline! But I made sure to watch Razor before the last 5 episodes or so...and no I have not seen "The Plan" yet because Netflix doesn't have it on streaming, though I'm a bit hesitant about it--on the one hand, more BSG! And answers about who was at the Riverwalk meeting, which has bothered me since the miniseries...but I've also heard how awful it is, and how it fills in details that were better left up to the imagination/ambiguous (like whether Shelley was Head!Six manifested in reality for all to see or not). :/

You've officially convinced me I need to do a rewatch.

Do itttt! :p Did you originally watch it when it was airing live?

Also love your icon! I found it really tricky to track down good Gaius and G/6 ones...:s

Edited at 2012-06-12 04:02 am (UTC)
Rosa | ¯\(ºдಠ)/¯: current (1)rosaxx50 on July 17th, 2013 12:57 am (UTC)
Heh, yeah, Gaius/Six vids!

I especially hated how Gaius and Caprica Six were used, the way they just DROPPED their relationship for no apparent reason after they were finally reunited on the same ship and out of prison (like really now, after all they've been through, neither would bother to seek the other out and talk to him/her?! *rolleyes*). I also disliked how the head visions too all but disappeared (I especially missed the chance to see a little more Head!Gauis with Caprica). The Caprica/Saul storyline was the most random, stupid, horrible and pointless thing ever, and I'm trying to repress that from my memory.

Lol, basically. The weirdness of the Saul/Six arc detracted from the season for me. Their flash backs were perfect, and I thought it was rather on point that Gaius complains and shouts at his father, but does ditch all his dates to deal with him. And it was so cute that the angels kept their form after 150,000 years as these two and walked away hand in hand.